Are fuel treatments (like Seafoam or Gumout) worth it?

[rejesterd]

the most well known are a type of compound called "polyether amines" - shorthand "PEA" - originally developed by Chevron in cooperation with BMW - and originally sold as Techron.

That is "essentially" what is in RingFree.

Other petroleum companies have developed similar compounds - such as Shell's "Nitrogen Enriched" (amines are nitrogen compounds)

my understanding is that Chevron has a sizeable ongoing research effort to discover/create improved compounds. I assume others do as well.

Right, PEA is the only one I know of too. That's what made me start looking at the Gumout Multi-System, because Seafoam doesn't have PEA.

In googling some more, I see that the EPA lists polyether amine as one of the following detergent types:

(i) Polyalkyl amine;

(ii) Polyether amine;

(iii) Polyalkylsuccinimide;

(iv) Polyalkylaminophenol;

(v) Detergent-active petroleum-based carrier oil;

(vi) Detergent-active synthetic carrier oil; and

(vii) Other detergent-active component (identify category, if feasible.)

[dark_star]

Thanks. Just wondering how often you fill up your tank on the boat? And do you let it run down to almost empty?

I have 2 portables, they are alternately filled every week.
they are run almost empty

[fairdeal]

That's good because I would like to know what these detergents are exactly.

the most well known are a type of compound called "polyether amines" - shorthand "PEA" - originally developed by Chevron in cooperation with BMW - and originally sold as Techron.

That is "essentially" what is in RingFree.

Other petroleum companies have developed similar compounds - such as Shell's "Nitrogen Enriched" (amines are nitrogen compounds)

my understanding is that Chevron has a sizeable ongoing research effort to discover/create improved compounds. I assume others do as well.

[rejesterd]

There is no question that by itself the mix of petroleum fractions that comprise gasoline will not "burn cleanly" in an ordinary internal combustion engine -

there is also no question that there are a number of specially synthesized compounds which if present in the gasoline, will act as "detergents"

particularly for the intake valve stems

Are you familiar with the "Top Tier Gasoline" Program? If not, you might google it

A number of auto manufacturers seem to believe that the current EPA required minimum "detergent" is not sufficient, and that "somewhat more is better"

Yamaha, in contrast, suggests you buy the "detergent" from them and add it yourself.

Is RingFree "the most expensive"? I've never purchased it -
but I do purchase my fuel from a "Top Tier" brand

Thanks.

I would say of the 3 treatments I mentioned, RingFree is the most expensive. I've also never used it. I started using Seafoam because all the old boaters in my campground suggested it, but it never fully made sense to me.

So my initial read of TopTier is that they mainly put a greater amount of the detergents that the EPA already requires in the gas. That's good because I would like to know what these detergents are exactly.

[rejesterd]

My F60 Yamaha gets 1/2 can of seafoam mixed with 5 gals of gas
once every 2-3 months.
the engine idles and accelerates smoother after treatment.

Thanks. Just wondering how often you fill up your tank on the boat? And do you let it run down to almost empty?

[fairdeal]

There is no question that by itself the mix of petroleum fractions that comprise gasoline will not "burn cleanly" in an ordinary internal combustion engine -

there is also no question that there are a number of specially synthesized compounds which if present in the gasoline, will act as "detergents"

particularly for the intake valve stems

Are you familiar with the "Top Tier Gasoline" Program? If not, you might google it

A number of auto manufacturers seem to believe that the current EPA required minimum "detergent" is not sufficient, and that "somewhat more is better"

Yamaha, in contrast, suggests you buy the "detergent" from them and add it yourself.

Is RingFree "the most expensive"? I've never purchased it -
but I do purchase my fuel from a "Top Tier" brand

[dark_star]

My F60 Yamaha gets 1/2 can of seafoam mixed with 5 gals of gas
once every 2-3 months.
the engine idles and accelerates smoother after treatment.

[rejesterd]

fuel sitting in who knows what kind of tank sits for who knows how long before being burned may not be the freshest fuel even if it was fresh when you put it in..

See this is what I'm getting at.. what if I'm constantly running the tank down to almost empty, and refilling it every 2-3 weeks during the season? Would you still use fuel treatment?

Since we have no idea what motor you are dealing with,
Go with what your motor manufacture recommends.
after market you go with what you feel like and hope

This is another thing I'm getting at.. to me, there's no difference between what I "feel and hope" and just blinding doing what the manufacturer tells me to do. I have a 2011 F50, and Yamaha recommends their Ring-Free treatment (which just happens to be the most expensive). But the service manual says nothing about regularly treating the fuel.

I still plan on using a stabilizer for winterization, but I'm not finding any empirical evidence that you need to regularly treat gas that's less than 30 days old.

[99yam40]

fuel sitting in who knows what kind of tank sits for who knows how long before being burned may not be the freshest fuel even if it was fresh when you put it in..

Since we have no idea what motor you are dealing with,
Go with what your motor manufacture recommends.
after market you go with what you feel like and hope

[rejesterd]

To those of you with at least 10 years of experience maintaining your engine..

What are your thoughts on fuel treatments like Seafoam, Gumout, Yamaha Ring-Free, etc? I know we're not going to end this debate in one little forum thread, but I really would like someone to, in detail, explain to me why this stuff is worth paying for? As I understand, these products can reduce heavy carbon buildup in the cylinders. And I do believe that, because I've seen people perform independent tests with boroscopes showing before & after pictures.

However, I don't see how a modern fuel-injected outboard could get that much carbon buildup in the first place. If you have a fuel/water separator filter and you're buying quality gas, do you ever need these products?