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  • 50H not starting, electrical issue

    I have a pair of 50H (full name F50HETL), one is 2017, other 2023. The older engine (serial no. 6C1 - 1074688) has developed an electrical fault and will now not start. I am running out of ideas, and so posting on here to see if anyone can suggest what I should do next or something I may have missed. I am fairly competent with the fuel side of my engines, but do not know much at all about the electrical side of things. Apologies if the explanations below do not use the correct language!

    Symptoms: When I turn the key to start, there is a single click. Nothing else. The voltage on the digitial display drops about 0.3v when I turn the key, then returns to 12.2v. Tilt/trim still works fine. The other engine on the boat runs from the same batteries and starts no problem

    Diagnosis attempts:
    I have tested the batteries, they are fully charged. I have connected a spare battery directly to the engine, this also doesn't work. So to me this would suggest that the battery cables to the engine are OK. I've checked the connections all the way from the batteries, through the isolators to the engine and everything is tight and clean.
    I have swapped the starter motor and the relay(?) (small black box below the starter with two M6 terminals and two small wires coming out the bottom) from a spare identical engine I have in storage. I bench tested the relay I took off the engine and it reads fine for resistance, and clicks when I connect the two small wires to a battery. I tried bench testing the starter motor I took off the engine when I put the spare one on, but not sure if I was doing it right. I put the negative cable from battery onto the starter body, and positive onto the large terminal on the starter. Nothing. Does it need a signal from the ignition too? What are the chances of two starter motors both being bad?

    Next step will be to try the starter motor from working engine on the boat. And possibly the relay too.

    I am also considering swapping the wiring harness from my spare engine onto the dead one. If the neutral safety switch was faulty, would this stop the relay from clicking? Is there any other sensors that would still allow the click, but wouldn't let the engine start?

    Any help would be most welcome. TIA


  • #2
    When you say not starting I am thinking that you really mean the motor is not cranking.

    If the neutral safety switch was faulty (open) then the starter motor relay would not be energized.

    Start at the starter motor itself. Apply battery power directly to the solenoid terminal that runs to the starter motor. Use a heavy gauge wire like that in a set of jumper cables. Does the motor now crank or not?

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    • #3
      Yes, not cranking. Apologies for the poor language choice.

      I fixed this yesterday by swapping the full engine wiring harness with my spare engine. Not the easiest job whilst still afloat on a showery day!

      I don't have the time at the moment to start testing the individual wires in the harness but my guess is that it must be one that goes from the slave solenoid (part 68V-8194A-00) to the relay (63P-81950-00) or to the starter itself.

      Will post again if I find the culprit

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      • #4
        12.2V is not a fully charged battery, check at the battery terminals with a VOM just to be sure.
        If there was a single click when turning to the start position, that means the start relay was being energized, so My guess would have been the start relay internal contacts were not making good contact.
        they do get burned carrying the heavy current some times

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        • #5
          Best if we try and speak a common language. There is the key switch, the starter motor relay and the starter motor solenoid involved. Although these components can have slightly different names from Yamaha. Too bad Yamaha can not be consistent.

          Battery voltage to the starter relay control circuit from the key switch. Relay power contacts close.

          Battery voltage across the starter relay power contacts to the starter motor solenoid control circuit.

          Battery voltage across the starter motor solenoid power contacts to the starter motor. Starter starts turning.



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