Hi Guys-I've been checking out the site for some time now as a guest. You all seem to help a lot of people. I have what I believe to be a doozy. I have a 2017 F90lb which was running fine until out of the blue it stared vibrating a lot and i had to limp home. I left the boat with my son as i was on an extended trip and he tried to get it running at the marina but it would start only briefly vibrating the whole time. It then died and would not start at all. Someone who claimed to be a mobile mechanic was there and he said he was sure it was a fuel delivery issue. He worked on it and eventually said cylinder #4 wasn't firing so he replace the coil (twice). When this didn't work he ended up changing the ecu for a refurbished one. He got it running a couple of times on the trailer but each time it was tried in the water it acted up the same way. I don't think he knew what to do. It now either doesn't start at all or sometimes fires for 1-2 seconds.
I recently got home and due to the frustration with the mechanic I tried my hand at it. I ran thru the yamaha service manual crank no start and irregular idle troubleshooting procedures. I also have ydis 1.33 but it acts erratically losing communication with the ecu and claiming the boat is running or in gear in some stationary tests (tps voltages within spec). It also won't let me run engine monitor. (I had the chipped obd2 type cable replaced but no luck)
I went to the ignition system first since the mechanic was messing around with that. I found that both primary and secondary coil resistances were ok. Spark plug caps resistances also ok. Did spark gap testing and found no spark at cylinders 1/4. (2/3 ok). Switched coil connectors from one to the other and got 1/4 to spark (2/3 no spark). Seems like there's no signal to fire to coil for 1/4 input voltage is ok. Continuity between coil connectors and fusebox and ecu all cylinders ok.
Pulser coil resistance ok (which it would be if I understand batch fire correctly and i have spark at 2/3)
Went to the fuel system troubleshooting to be complete and injector resistances all fluctuate from 16-24 ohms (weird? for all to be out of spec and fluctuate-low battery on multimeter maybe? I was able to fire injectors 1 and 2 with ydis (with 3/4 it said engine was in gear) Also able to fire electric fuel pump with ydis. It gets weirder when I checked injector continuity. 2/3 had continuity all along circuit to ecu but 1/4 had no continuity to ecu. I thought ok I'm onto something now-but upon checking the wiring diagram closely i noticed that the ecu connector pins positions for the 1/4 injectors and the water in fuel sensor were switched. When checked for continuity with the correct wire in the wrong pin position (per manual) I got continuity. I don't know what to make of this-it seems awful coincidental that these are the same cylinders I'm having spark issues with. I don't know if the manual is wrong or the old ecu is supposed to have this wiring configuration. It would seem then that changing the ecu to a new one with the manual's stated wiring would cause troubles-but i don't know. I would guess that the manual is simply wrong but what a coincidence that it would be wrong with injectors 1/4' s wiring.
Fuses,relay to ecu and ecu to ground continuity ok
Pulser air gap ok
pulser coil to ecu continuity ok
fuel hose ok
fuel filters ok
high pressure fuel pump ok
valve timing ok
isc valve checked resistance ok but can't verify function on ydis
throttle valve ok
spark plugs ok
fuel pressure >40 at rail
injector input voltage ok
Was not able to check pulser coil output voltage-no dva
Also not able to check compression-no tester for this engine at hand
All I can think of if compression is indeed ok is that the ecu is bad. Aside from the service manual checks (which checked out ok), I don't know how to confirm that it is bad. Maybe there's something I'm missing that you smarter guys can figure out
Thanks
I recently got home and due to the frustration with the mechanic I tried my hand at it. I ran thru the yamaha service manual crank no start and irregular idle troubleshooting procedures. I also have ydis 1.33 but it acts erratically losing communication with the ecu and claiming the boat is running or in gear in some stationary tests (tps voltages within spec). It also won't let me run engine monitor. (I had the chipped obd2 type cable replaced but no luck)
I went to the ignition system first since the mechanic was messing around with that. I found that both primary and secondary coil resistances were ok. Spark plug caps resistances also ok. Did spark gap testing and found no spark at cylinders 1/4. (2/3 ok). Switched coil connectors from one to the other and got 1/4 to spark (2/3 no spark). Seems like there's no signal to fire to coil for 1/4 input voltage is ok. Continuity between coil connectors and fusebox and ecu all cylinders ok.
Pulser coil resistance ok (which it would be if I understand batch fire correctly and i have spark at 2/3)
Went to the fuel system troubleshooting to be complete and injector resistances all fluctuate from 16-24 ohms (weird? for all to be out of spec and fluctuate-low battery on multimeter maybe? I was able to fire injectors 1 and 2 with ydis (with 3/4 it said engine was in gear) Also able to fire electric fuel pump with ydis. It gets weirder when I checked injector continuity. 2/3 had continuity all along circuit to ecu but 1/4 had no continuity to ecu. I thought ok I'm onto something now-but upon checking the wiring diagram closely i noticed that the ecu connector pins positions for the 1/4 injectors and the water in fuel sensor were switched. When checked for continuity with the correct wire in the wrong pin position (per manual) I got continuity. I don't know what to make of this-it seems awful coincidental that these are the same cylinders I'm having spark issues with. I don't know if the manual is wrong or the old ecu is supposed to have this wiring configuration. It would seem then that changing the ecu to a new one with the manual's stated wiring would cause troubles-but i don't know. I would guess that the manual is simply wrong but what a coincidence that it would be wrong with injectors 1/4' s wiring.
Fuses,relay to ecu and ecu to ground continuity ok
Pulser air gap ok
pulser coil to ecu continuity ok
fuel hose ok
fuel filters ok
high pressure fuel pump ok
valve timing ok
isc valve checked resistance ok but can't verify function on ydis
throttle valve ok
spark plugs ok
fuel pressure >40 at rail
injector input voltage ok
Was not able to check pulser coil output voltage-no dva
Also not able to check compression-no tester for this engine at hand
All I can think of if compression is indeed ok is that the ecu is bad. Aside from the service manual checks (which checked out ok), I don't know how to confirm that it is bad. Maybe there's something I'm missing that you smarter guys can figure out
Thanks
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